General Comments:
I think some elements should be retained (to create
a sense of evolution), with the following order of precedence: 1. Colours
2. Charges 3. Composition. IMO, the "cleanest" designs appear to be those
without the mullets.- Jan of Ghent
I prefer the set of designs with the stars outside
the laurel wreath (except for the red one). I also prefer a solid crown (as
a crown with substance). So I prefer ULF2, or RdeLC10 with a solid crown.
- Francois Henri Guyon
Can we incorporate the stars into the laurel wreathe
in the same way as the queen of the west has roses incorporated into hers?
It would be a little fiddly at a distance but would look great as you got
closer (would not make the devise less identifiable at a distance...you would
just get more detail up close). This would allow the crown to be proportionally
larger upon the field and make it the truly central charge. Sasha
The Queen's arms have a wreath of roses. Are you propsing
a wreath of mullets? Again, not good period heraldry. Uberto
On keeping the old arms for the crown Prince and
Princess: This is a brilliant idea.I would
prefer to keep the old arms with as little change as possible, but this isn't
because they have great symbolic meaning for me. It is because I dislike unnecessary
cost and waste. Spending $X00.00 on new regalia while putting the old stuff
away in the attic somewhere is, in my opinion, pretty close to culpable waste
of society funds already invested, not to mention hundreds of hours of effort
on banners and so on in every group across Lochac. Using it as the regalia
for the Crown Prince and Princess maintains the value of that investment.
I'd still prefer to go with the old device and regalia, but at least this
way the unnecessary cost isn't aggravated by unnecessary waste. Besides, if
everyone already has those banners and so on, the CP&P will nearly *have*
to hold courts, so that they can be properly displayed, thus reducing the
workload on the Crown. Peter the Uncertain
Please let us keep the colours, the stars and cross
of our current device, so we do not forget our roots.... Katerina da Brescia.
I was much struck by the royal device in red-black-gold;
I *like* it; it says something to me. I do not know much about heraldry; recognise
only one or two devices; I would not recognise Lochac's current device, despite
having been around SCA for two to four years. The device of an australian
kingdom ought to say something about Australia; and of course, in-period,
Australia was known best by Aboriginal peoples! The comment about the work
and money invested in present banners is fair, though. Can some place be retained
for them? Rachel
On Crowns - to void or not to void!
I think the central crown is the most logical, the
least contentious, the most easily excepted, the most cost efficient but the
red black and gold option on the page is a beauty - Kane Greymane
I don't like voided Crowns (due to the reduction in
contrast it presents and the undesirable symbolism of a "A Crown without substance"),
plain field quartering (too visually complex, especially when aligning charges
around the point of conjunction, and an arguably "tired" motif). Jan of
Ghent
"I don't like the voided Crowns".
Neither do I! Artistically its too fiddly for the size ratio - it ends up
being about the same size as the stars and having it voided it makes it pretty
hard to see at all on most of the proposed devices. Yes I know its on all
our West banners ... not a strong enough reason to use it on ours in my opinion.
Its much more visually striking in a solid gold or silver. One of the better
renditions of a solid crown visually is made by cutting one of the stars in
half horizontally and increase the size about 20%. Reynardine de Clifford
I like the voided crown for a number of reasons. It
is artistically more pleasing and better to work with when incorporating it
into awards tokens and fiddly heraldic bits like plates and tableware. I like
it because it is not a nearly meaningless solid blob in the middle of the
device. hmmmm.... If we could have any detail at all in the crown representation
then I think it could work well but as a solid outline it is just a ragged
shape that looks like a child's drawing of the opera house...or mountains,
or a duck. It is basically only meaningfull if you have some context...ie:
the SCA. I would rather have something that went beyond this. Perhaps if we
tried a solid crown with a star voided in the centre of it....or something?
Just a thought, but it might highlight my objections to the solid meaningless
blob. Sasha
A plain or voided crown "dancetty of 3 points" does,
I admit, look too stylised even for heraldry. However, there are some very
nice heraldic crowns which look like real crowns and allow for some detail
to be present. Uberto
Gryffon du Lac & Lorix: Neither of us are heralds &
are commenting merely from an aesthetic, practical & sentimental point of
view as we like the current Lochac colors. As a basic principle, given the
sheer amount of regalia, we would prefer a device that utilises the existing
colors that are on the current device: ie red, Blue & white. There is an historical
precedent of these colors being Lochac's and depending on the device chosen,
there may need to be only small changes to the resulting regalia. Alternatively,
if the colors remain the same & the device is fairly different, some of the
regalia may be able to be recycled, just a thought.
